{"id":90226,"date":"2026-03-06T09:19:03","date_gmt":"2026-03-06T08:19:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/?p=90226"},"modified":"2026-04-07T13:00:22","modified_gmt":"2026-04-07T11:00:22","slug":"why-li-needs-a-new-resilience-playbook","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/why-li-needs-a-new-resilience-playbook\/","title":{"rendered":"Why L&amp;I Needs a New Resilience Playbook"},"content":{"rendered":"\n  <section style=\"padding-block: 0px; margin-block: 0px;\">\n    <div class=\"container max-width-xl\">\n      <div class=\"textblock__grid textblock__grid--Left \">\n\n\n                  <div class=\"textblock__col textblock__col--img\">\n                          <div class=\"textblock__img \">\n                <img decoding=\"async\" width=\"3000\" height=\"1688\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/kennisbank-gresb-quarterly-oceania-q1-2024-1.png\" class=\"\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/kennisbank-gresb-quarterly-oceania-q1-2024-1.png 3000w, https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/kennisbank-gresb-quarterly-oceania-q1-2024-1-1200x675.png 1200w, https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/kennisbank-gresb-quarterly-oceania-q1-2024-1-768x432.png 768w, https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/kennisbank-gresb-quarterly-oceania-q1-2024-1-1536x864.png 1536w, https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/kennisbank-gresb-quarterly-oceania-q1-2024-1-2048x1152.png 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 3000px) 100vw, 3000px\" \/>              <\/div>\n            \n                      <\/div>\n        \n                  <div class=\"textblock__col textblock__col--text\">\n            <div class=\"textblock__content\" >\n              \n                              <h2>\n                  The Pulse by GRESB                <\/h2>\n              \n                              <div class=\"wysiwyg\" >\n                  <p>The Pulse by GRESB is an insightful content series featuring the GRESB team, partners, GRESB Foundation members, and other experts. Each episode focuses on an important topic related to either GRESB, sustainability issues within real assets industry, decarbonization efforts, or the wider market.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Watch on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLYJ4_Sp-SQXt9URy5Cw0yxsyIcx32jOyA\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Youtube<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Listen on <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/5ICELxumDldNdUpnfjZv56?si=1cd76f72998b46b5&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=b3b08297ba2940f7\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Spotify<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Listen on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-pulse-by-gresb\/id1784279903\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Apple Podcasts<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n                <\/div>\n              \n              \n<div class=\"author-small\">\n  \n  \n  <\/div>\n\n              \n              \n                          <\/div>\n          <\/div>\n        \n      <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n  <\/section>\n\n\n\n\n  <section style=\"padding-block: 0px; margin-block: 0px;\">\n    <div class=\"container max-width-xl\">\n      <div class=\"textblock__grid textblock__grid--Left textblock__grid--single\">\n\n\n        \n                  <div class=\"textblock__col textblock__col--text\">\n            <div class=\"textblock__content\" >\n              \n                              <h2>\n                  Why L&#038;I Needs a New Resilience Playbook                <\/h2>\n              \n                              <div class=\"wysiwyg\" >\n                  <p>In this episode of The Pulse by GRESB, host Parag Cameron-Rastogi, Director of Real Asset Analytics at GRESB, speaks with Matt Clifford, Head of Sustainability &amp; ESG, Asia Pacific at Cushman &amp; Wakefield, about physical climate resilience in the global logistics and industrial sector. Together, they explore how climate hazards such as floods, heat stress, storms, and wildfires are reshaping risk profiles for assets worldwide. The conversation examines why logistics and industrial properties face unique exposure due to their location, scale, and operational criticality, and how investors and operators can integrate climate risk into capital planning and long-term value creation. Listen for insights on asset-level risk assessment, adaptation strategies, and the growing role of data in climate-informed investment decision-making.<\/p>\n                <\/div>\n              \n              \n<div class=\"author-small\">\n      <figure class=\"author-small__image\">\n      <img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"1200\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/medewerkers-parag-cameron-rastogi-1200x1200.png\" class=\"attachment-medium size-medium\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/medewerkers-parag-cameron-rastogi-1200x1200.png 1200w, https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/medewerkers-parag-cameron-rastogi-600x600.png 600w, https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/medewerkers-parag-cameron-rastogi-768x768.png 768w, https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/medewerkers-parag-cameron-rastogi-1536x1536.png 1536w, https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/medewerkers-parag-cameron-rastogi-2048x2048.png 2048w, https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/medewerkers-parag-cameron-rastogi-1000x1000.png 1000w, https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/medewerkers-parag-cameron-rastogi-151x151.png 151w, https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/medewerkers-parag-cameron-rastogi-200x200.png 200w, https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/medewerkers-parag-cameron-rastogi-250x250.png 250w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/>    <\/figure>\n  \n      <div class=\"author-small__name\">\n      Parag Cameron-Rastogi (host)    <\/div>\n  \n      <div class=\"author-small__function\">\n      Director, Real Asset Analytics | GRESB     <\/div>\n  <\/div>\n\n              \n              \n                          <\/div>\n          <\/div>\n        \n      <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n  <\/section>\n\n\n\n\n  <section style=\"padding-block: 0px; margin-block: 0px;\">\n    <div class=\"container max-width-xl\">\n      <div class=\"textblock__grid textblock__grid--Left textblock__grid--single\">\n\n\n        \n                  <div class=\"textblock__col textblock__col--text\">\n            <div class=\"textblock__content\" >\n              \n              \n              \n              \n<div class=\"author-small\">\n      <figure class=\"author-small__image\">\n      <img decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"1200\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/post-why-lampi-needs-a-new-resilience-playbook.jpg\" class=\"attachment-medium size-medium\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/post-why-lampi-needs-a-new-resilience-playbook.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.gresb.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/post-why-lampi-needs-a-new-resilience-playbook-768x1152.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/>    <\/figure>\n  \n      <div class=\"author-small__name\">\n      Matt Clifford    <\/div>\n  \n      <div class=\"author-small__function\">\n      Head of Sustainability &#038; ESG, Asia Pacific | Cushman &#038; Wakefield    <\/div>\n  <\/div>\n\n              \n              \n                          <\/div>\n          <\/div>\n        \n      <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n  <\/section>\n\n\n\n\n  <div class=\"container max-width-lg content\" style=\"padding-block: 0px; margin-top:30px;\">\n    \n<div class=\"wysiwyg\">\n  <p><iframe title=\"Why L&amp;I Needs a New Resilience Playbook | The Pulse by GRESB\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/vXxLa65M434?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<\/div>\n  <\/div>\n\n\n\n\n  <section style=\"padding-block: 0px; margin-block: 0px;\">\n    <div class=\"container max-width-xl\">\n      <div class=\"textblock__grid textblock__grid--Left textblock__grid--single\">\n\n\n        \n                  <div class=\"textblock__col textblock__col--text\">\n            <div class=\"textblock__content\" >\n              \n                              <h2>\n                  Transcript                <\/h2>\n              \n                              <div class=\"wysiwyg\" >\n                  <p>Can\u2019t listen? Read the full transcript below. Please note that edits have been made for readability.<\/p>\n                <\/div>\n              \n              \n<div class=\"author-small\">\n  \n  \n  <\/div>\n\n              \n              \n                          <\/div>\n          <\/div>\n        \n      <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n  <\/section>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"container max-width-xl content\">\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n<\/div>\n\n\n  <section style=\"padding-block: 0px; margin-block: 0px;\">\n    <div class=\"container max-width-xl\">\n      <div class=\"textblock__grid textblock__grid--Left textblock__grid--single\">\n\n\n        \n                  <div class=\"textblock__col textblock__col--text\">\n            <div class=\"textblock__content\" >\n              \n              \n                              <div class=\"wysiwyg\" >\n                  <p data-start=\"156\" data-end=\"563\"><strong data-start=\"156\" data-end=\"165\">Parag<\/strong>: Welcome to The Pulse by GRESB. Today, I\u2019m your host, Parag Cameron-Rastogi, Director of Real Asset Analytics at GRESB. We\u2019re going to be talking about physical climate resilience in the context of the global logistics and industrial sector. I\u2019m very happy to be joined by Matt Clifford, all the way from Australia, where he is Head of Sustainability &amp; ESG, Asia Pacific, at Cushman &amp; Wakefield. Thank you for joining.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"589\" data-end=\"618\"><strong data-start=\"589\" data-end=\"597\">Matt<\/strong>: Thanks for hosting.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"620\" data-end=\"787\"><strong data-start=\"620\" data-end=\"629\">Parag<\/strong>: A lot of what you\u2019re going to talk about today comes from this excellent report you\u2019ve published around the global risk profile of logistics and industrial. Could you talk a little bit about what the report contains?<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"850\" data-end=\"871\"><strong data-start=\"850\" data-end=\"858\">Matt<\/strong>: Absolutely.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"850\" data-end=\"871\">So, the report is &#8216;Climate Risk Logistics and Industrial Global Outlook<em data-start=\"891\" data-end=\"945\">&#8216;<\/em>, and it pulls together 7,000 buildings around the world from 300 industrial sub-markets across 120 global cities\u2014so it\u2019s all of the biggest logistics and industrial investment locations. And what we\u2019ve done is assess each and every one of those buildings through the lens of climate risk to understand: how does risk show up in a given location? How does it change around the world? What are the parameters to look at?<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"850\" data-end=\"871\">There are some general takeaways you can get around certain locations being particularly flood-prone or fire-prone, or heat-stressed. But really, the takeaway was that there\u2019s no substitute for local data. Looking at an individual building, you might find quite different results from a similar building that\u2019s literally on the other side of the road. So local data, when it comes to climate risk, is really critical.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"1786\" data-end=\"1884\"><strong data-start=\"1786\" data-end=\"1795\">Parag<\/strong>: So diving in, let\u2019s talk about why we are talking about logistics and industrial today.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"1886\" data-end=\"2273\"><strong data-start=\"1886\" data-end=\"1894\">Matt<\/strong>: I think if there\u2019s one asset class within real estate that\u2019s shaped investment decisions and capital planning over the last several years, it\u2019s logistics and industrial. You know, we\u2019ve seen offices and retail and some other asset classes unfortunately go through a period of decline\u2014that\u2019ll come back at some point\u2014but what\u2019s filled that gap has been logistics and industrial. A lot of that\u2019s driven by major trends like e-commerce, last-mile logistics, the real-time and near-time delivery lifestyle that we all live, sort of in the back of COVID. I think COVID was a huge influencer, but COVID has come and gone, and guess what\u2014L&amp;I is here to stay. I think in the last couple of years, we\u2019ve seen an uptick, with around about 40% of investment dollars going into this asset sector alone.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"2689\" data-end=\"3002\"><strong data-start=\"2689\" data-end=\"2698\">Parag<\/strong>: Yeah. It\u2019s interesting also that if you look at the GRESB submissions, we have always been dominated by office and retail, with residential usually coming in third, but logistics and industrial really climbed up in the last few years\u2014and it now forms a substantial portion of assets submitted to GRESB.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"3004\" data-end=\"3316\"><strong data-start=\"3004\" data-end=\"3012\">Matt<\/strong>: It also probably bears mentioning that an individual industrial asset typically has a lower value by itself. So compared to an office building that might be several hundred million or a billion dollars in USD terms for a single asset, industrial facilities are often many, many times smaller than that. But there\u2019s a lot of them. So when we look at the investment dollars that are shaping our world, and we\u2019re seeing the scale of L&amp;I growing, that\u2019s a lot of assets\u2014and there\u2019s a lot of data that goes on with that. So for sure, GRESB should be paying attention. I\u2019m sure you already are.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"3605\" data-end=\"3969\"><strong data-start=\"3605\" data-end=\"3614\">Parag<\/strong>: Absolutely. And I think what\u2019s interesting is, since we wanted to talk today about physical climate risk\u2014which is a growing subject in GRESB\u2014it doesn\u2019t have quite the quantitative treatment that energy and emissions do, but we know it\u2019s a priority for us. We are talking about it, and we hosted a roundtable just last year at London Climate Action Week. So, physical climate risk in general\u2014if you could tell me a little bit about how you advise clients, but specifically why that would be different for logistics and industrial?<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"4148\" data-end=\"4497\"><strong data-start=\"4148\" data-end=\"4156\">Matt<\/strong>: Definitely. And just on that topic of quantification, I guess I\u2019ve been in this industry long enough that I remember when carbon accounting was a new thing and people were still scratching their heads saying, \u201cHey, I\u2019m not quite sure what that means,\u201d or \u201cI\u2019m not really sure how to quantify other parameters of environmental performance.\u201d<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"4499\" data-end=\"4688\">We\u2019re still in its infancy around climate risk, but in four or five years\u2019 time, I believe we\u2019ll all have a far greater ability to quantify physical climate risks, as well as other factors. Just in terms of what it is, it might be a kind of tricky question to say: how could climate risk impact physical real estate? What are the things that are likely to occur? It could be things like storms, floods, fires, rain impacts\u2014these are the kind of natural forces that unfortunately are getting more prevalent and sometimes more powerful around the world because of climate change, and they have a real impact.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"4499\" data-end=\"4688\">We\u2019ve seen many, many examples in recent years where cities have flooded, buildings have burned down, or have been at risk of being hit by some of those impacts. So that\u2019s the first parameter: to understand what are those risks, how do they show up in real estate now, and how are they likely to show up over time? And the great thing is that a lot of this is data-driven. So you can actually model these impacts down to a very granular view on an individual building, an individual part of a city, an individual plot of land\u2014leaning on the best climate science that\u2019s available in the world\u2014and then relate that back to the physical form, real estate form, or built form to say: how are those impacts likely to be felt?<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"5832\" data-end=\"5896\">How is that different when it comes to logistics and industrial? First part is to say that those impacts can happen in any asset class. What we\u2019ve often found is logistics and industrial facilities tend to be built in slightly less favorable locations. It might be along the side of a motorway, or a river, or a canal. It could be next to train lines, next to a port. And that\u2019s usually due to pricing and availability of land. Industrial tends to be built on the outskirts of cities, not in the downtown area. So what that means is that\u2019s land that might be more exposed in some cases.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"6422\" data-end=\"6826\">Logistics and industrial also covers a much broader area. I\u2019m based here in Sydney, as you mentioned\u2014the downtown area of Sydney is 20 blocks in any direction, give or take, versus the logistics and industrial catchment is probably 50 or 100 kilometers in any direction. So we\u2019re talking about much, much larger areas for logistics and industrial, and it means that that data-driven view is so important.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"6828\" data-end=\"7178\"><strong data-start=\"6828\" data-end=\"6837\">Parag<\/strong>: That\u2019s right. I think it\u2019s important to remember also that when we site these warehouses and logistics and industrial facilities sort of out of sight, that\u2019s a deliberate choice, right? We don\u2019t necessarily want industrial facilities in our backyard. That doesn\u2019t make them any less critical to our functioning as an economy, as a society.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"7180\" data-end=\"7504\"><strong data-start=\"7180\" data-end=\"7188\">Matt<\/strong>: Yeah, that\u2019s right. Logistics and industrial is a useful umbrella term, but you could break that down further. It could be anything from a warehouse filled with boxes that\u2019s somebody\u2019s Amazon delivery, to cold storage for food, last-mile delivery, high-tech manufacturing or robotics facilities, even data centers.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"7506\" data-end=\"7732\">These are critical assets\u2014critical functions go on in them. So the ability to operate safely and effectively, and for people to go to work and come home safely, not be impacted by these physical risks, that\u2019s really important. And the great thing is that this is information you can model. You can get quite granular views, and there\u2019s a lot that can be done\u2014often cost-effectively\u2014to improve resiliency and adaptation. Not just to be aware of risk, but to take meaningful action to improve the risk profile.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"8017\" data-end=\"8137\"><strong data-start=\"8017\" data-end=\"8026\">Parag<\/strong>: I\u2019m glad you brought up resiliency because let\u2019s talk about the actual hazards and how they affect logistics. We sometimes think about buildings as homes and offices, and they have certain resilience features almost by design. Like work from home\u2014your office goes down, you work from home. But if your house floods, there\u2019s no resilience backup. Could you talk about the hazards these assets face and how logistics and industrial is particularly impacted?<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"8487\" data-end=\"8728\"><strong data-start=\"8487\" data-end=\"8495\">Matt<\/strong>: During COVID, many office workers discovered they could work from home effectively. But that\u2019s not possible for all sectors\u2014doctors, nurses, manufacturing workers, trucking operations, food storage. They have to be there in person.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"8730\" data-end=\"8967\">If a big storm cuts off road access, that facility\u2014and that business\u2014will suffer. On the other hand, if you\u2019ve planned and protected yourself against those impacts, you might be the business that continues to operate while others cannot. So there\u2019s a real risk in logistics and industrial. If you\u2019re not prepared, you might suffer more extreme downturns or operational disruption. The UK is a good example. It\u2019s traditionally cold and rainy. But it\u2019s getting hotter at certain times of year, and facilities might struggle if equipment wasn\u2019t designed for higher temperatures. Were those buildings built with insulation in mind? With adequate cooling? Has equipment been specified to deal with changing climate conditions? Heat stress may not have historically seemed relevant in certain regions\u2014but going forward, it may be.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"9559\" data-end=\"9792\"><strong data-start=\"9559\" data-end=\"9568\">Parag<\/strong>: That\u2019s right. One of my professional activities is publishing design temperatures around the world with ASHRAE\u2014in Australia, it\u2019s AIRAH. Something called \u201cclimate zones\u201d gives us an indicator of general climate conditions. What we\u2019ve noticed is that climate zones are shifting\u2014not only due to urbanization, but because warmer zones are expanding away from the equator into temperate regions.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"9559\" data-end=\"9792\">Buildings designed for heating-dominated climates may suddenly face cooling demands. That\u2019s the irony. In Australia, you expect heat, so you plan for it. In Britain, you don\u2019t expect heat, so you don\u2019t plan for it\u2014and systems fail at a much lower threshold.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"10223\" data-end=\"10279\"><strong data-start=\"10223\" data-end=\"10231\">Matt<\/strong>: Exactly. There\u2019s no substitute for local data. Take Singapore. It\u2019s hot and wet year-round. Climate modeling suggests it will continue to be hot and wet. So design tweaks may be needed, but probably not fundamental changes. What surprises clients is when conditions change in unexpected ways. A hot climate becoming much wetter. Storms intensifying or shifting. Heat waves lasting longer. Even deeper winters in parts of the US with significant snowstorms. That means capital planning and operational planning must evolve accordingly.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"10772\" data-end=\"10908\"><strong data-start=\"10772\" data-end=\"10781\">Parag<\/strong>: Climate is something we experience\u2014you don\u2019t change it. But when a weather event becomes a disaster, the economy is involved. So beyond good climate data, we need to understand how hazards interact with specific assets. What should owners and operators think about when assessing hazards on a per-asset basis? And how should they approach design decisions? Should they allow some failure tolerance, or design against every possible risk?<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"11224\" data-end=\"11364\"><strong data-start=\"11224\" data-end=\"11232\">Matt<\/strong>: First, risk is never zero. That\u2019s true for climate risk and for any investment risk. Investing is about balancing risk and return. Climate risk shouldn\u2019t be treated fundamentally differently from other risks. Does it fit your risk profile? Your strategy? Your holding period? If you\u2019re buying an asset in Sydney, flood and rainfall risk might be key considerations. Technology can now model those exposures quickly. Then the question becomes: what\u2019s your investment horizon? A core fund holding long term may think differently from a value-add strategy with a three-to-five-year hold. If risks escalate significantly 100 years from now, that\u2019s less relevant for short-hold investors. Often, it comes down to practical decisions. Does the roof need earlier replacement? Are drainage systems adequate? If a flood occurs, where does the water go?<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"12084\" data-end=\"12217\">There\u2019s also risk transfer. In industrial leases, risk often shifts to tenants. Landlords may structure leases to protect themselves. In most cases\u201499 out of 100\u2014clients proceed with deals. They understand the risk better, price it in, and incorporate it into capital planning. For institutional investors, climate risk becomes one more decision-making factor.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"12448\" data-end=\"12654\"><strong data-start=\"12448\" data-end=\"12457\">Parag<\/strong>: There\u2019s sometimes a perception that physical climate risk is something entirely new. But climate has always been there. Risk has always existed. What\u2019s new is the data to inform better decisions. To close\u2014logistics and industrial may be out of sight, but it\u2019s the backbone of global commerce. What role does resilience play in investment decision-making for logistics and industrial? Will it create winners and losers?<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"12881\" data-end=\"12991\"><strong data-start=\"12881\" data-end=\"12889\">Matt<\/strong>: You can put your head in the sand\u2014or you can use the data that\u2019s available to make better decisions. Where it gets interesting is when people interpret the data creatively. Planning regimes often look backward\u2014designing based on the last 20 or 30 years instead of the next 20 or 30. Forward-thinking investors might over-insulate in heat-prone areas, install firefighting systems in wildfire zones, improve drainage in flood-prone areas. If done early, these upgrades may not be major cost factors. At first, people might question whether they\u2019re necessary. Ten years from now, those decisions may look very smart. That\u2019s where resilience becomes a long-term value creation strategy.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"13581\" data-end=\"13693\"><strong data-start=\"13581\" data-end=\"13590\">Parag<\/strong>: And with that, that\u2019s about all the time we have for today\u2019s episode of <em data-start=\"13664\" data-end=\"13675\">The Pulse<\/em>. 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